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You going to the 2nd MTB-MLE conference in Iloilo?
No, but I wish I could follow it, may be from the papers/presentations…
Get out of California. Come to Pinas.
Wish I could… Will you be there?
Yes. But not in any official capacity. Failed to submit a paper.
I do enjoy being a rabble-rouser. Asking questios that don’t have any answers.
But you be able to collect the papers/presentations at the confab… Would you please share me with whatever you may be able to collect?
Well, the “asking questions” is that which stirs the broth…
Been asking a few myself…
Like Deped Order #90 s. 2011, have you read the order and its enclosure?
Especially the enclosure listing the first batch of schools participating in the implementation of MTB-MLE per DO 74 s. 2009…
You still there?
I’m still here.
No, I haven’t read the order. What is interesting about it?
Did you think the exclusion of the entire Region II from the list of those initially implementing MTBMLE and the requisite funding is something IRREGULAR?
Joe, you can’t do effective advocacy without a presence here.
Region II being the Ilocos region? Tell me why it was excluded?
I understand that…
I have read a document about it, but I didn’t think there was anything irregular about it. I could be wrong.
Why was it excluded? I don’t know.. but the Order itself went from Region I (Ilocos) to Region III, bypassing region III which is Batanes, Cagayan, Isabela, Quirino and Nueva Vizcaya. That’s a huge chunks of schools with so many languages, you know…
Bypassing Region II, I mean…
Ah, logistics. If you can’t do it properly, don’t do it . Nothing wrong with that, I’d say.
Some folks from Region II think otherwise, especially if out of the 1000 or so schools included, almost 60% are from Cebuano-speaking areas…
I’m painfully aware of your stand on the national language, but don’t you think giving priority to some schools from the Tagalog/Filipino speaking region, e.g. NCR & CALABARZON, in participating in the initial MTBMLE implementation is rather irregular given the fact that we’ve spent enormous resources during the last 50-plus years developing Tagalog/Filipino?
I am puzzled by the Cebuano standpoint. It is clear that they want it to be the national language, or one of the national languages, but they don’t say it that clearly.
I’m aware of that, especially because they think they got hoodwinked in the 1935 convention by MLQ himself and his cohorts…
Calabarzon had always been using the native language. MTB-MLE is for non-Tagalog regions.
So why did DepEd include CALABARZON and NCR?
It wasn’t Quezon that decided Tagalog to be the basis of the national language. It was Romualdez, a speaker of a Visayan languge
I agree with you about MTB-MLE being for the non-Tagalog regions. So how do you rationalize DepEd’s action in giving priority to CALABARZON for inclusion in the MTBMLE funding?
You do realize that DepEd is not a rational being, don’t you?
To me, that’s nothing different from doling out “pork barrel”//
Our concern therefore is how we can get DEPED to be rational? Legislate something to stop the nonsense in that office?
Joe, quit thinking that DepEd favors the Tagalog region for MTB-MLE. MTB-MLE has always been MTB since the bilingual education program.
There is nothing that the MTB program can add to the instruction using native tongue in the Tagalog region.
It has always been there.
What I do know is that Rosalina Villaneza, the national MTBMLE coordinator at DepEd is from the Cebuano speaking region (Mindanao, I think) and I could see why there’s about 600 of the 1000 schools initially implementing MTBMLE…
Enligten me, please. What has Rose regional origin got to do with it?
That’s why MTBMLE should exclude the schools from the Tagalog speaking regions, NOT Region II…
Oh, I thought you’re smarter than that to just ignore our usual regional politics…
Ah, I see your point. Which is about the priorities for the implementation of MTB-MLE. That is logistics. I wouldn’t put any other insidious motivations on it.
hey, we can only do this much this year. Let
Let’s do region X.
How about, let’s do CALABARZON, and you think there’s nothing insidious about that?
Joe, calabarzon has always been MTB!
OK, forget about that, when are you going to invite me to go fishing/crabbing in Canada?
Ha, I’m here in Pinas. How about good ol’ San Miguel Beer pale pilson?
Well, yeah, the one that you got over there is a lot better than the export variety we get here — which is bitter and watered down…
I love the stuff way back then, especially when we go bowling… After the game and a dozen bottles of the stuff, I could speechify…
I know. Let me know when you will next visit PI. I’d like to know, over beer, what exactly are you hoping to accomplish.
At this stage in my old, miserable life, my brother-in-law’s medical opinion is: do anything, eat anything, and if you do something bad, just be careful to not get caught…
Have you met Aurelio Agcaoili?
No, but we exchange emails…
The only MLE folks I’ve met in person are Diane Dekker and Greg Dekker…
You know, I’d like to ask the both of you the question: It appears that the Ilocanos have made the decision: If you can’t beat the Tagalogs, join them. What do you say to that?
Now I see how you think about this. NOPE, we ain’t joining the Tagalogs in the manner you probably have in mind. La Union, for instance, is legislating the use of Ilocano like the Catalans of Spain had done… They’re not yet there, but they are on course…
What you see as capitulation by the Ilocanos to Tagalog is a consequence of government’s overweening desire to promote Tagalog at all cost…
No, no, no. It’s the young people in the Tagalog region that is opting to speak Tagalog rather than Ilocano,
I meant in the Ilocos region,
The young people prefer to speak Tagalog.
That’s why we pin our hopes on altering the scenario on MTBMLE — and I think we eventually will…
How can you reason against the fact that the young people and parents of the Ilocos region, outside of advocacy groups like Padre, Agcaoili, & MacEachrn would like to to go mainstream and speak a different language.
If government was able to artificially bring about the Tagalogization of Ilocandia, I think the reverse corrollary can also happen…
It’s not permanent and hopeless.
Joe, you are, if I may say, so naive and so idealistic, and out of touch of the economic linguistic imperatives. A bottle of San Migguel pale pilsen or two wil be good for you.
Naive and out of touch? Those are characterizations I could pin on you as well. MTBMLE has just started and I don’t know how Tagalog will fare in the end… Non-Tagalog people are just beginning to realize what they lost to Tagalog — that’s why they so embrace MTBMLE. It’s a fight, and like it or not, MTBMLE is gaining momentum that someone like you can no longer stop…
You realize, of course, that this chat is going to wind up in multilingualphilippines.com
What exactly do you stand for, Joe? How about let’s count the ways.
I’ll tell you what I don’t stand for: “ISANG NASYON, ISANG DIWA”.
OR AS THEY SAID, “ONE NATION, ONE LANGUAGE”.
Gawd, Joe, that is so empty that I am surprised that any one would espouse it. What is nasyon, what is diwa?
Diwa should never ever be equated with languge
Nor should it be quated with nation.
Joe, I think you are driven by empty slogans.
Jacobinism on language was a force the ultranationalist so adroitly exploited.Unfortunately, you entirely missed my point about what I do not stand for: slogans.
Spare me the Jacobinism clap-trap. What do you stand for? What do you want to accomplish? What do you stand for?
Do you want the Ilocano languge to be the national language? An auxiliary languge/
The problem is that you feel wronged, but unsure about what would be right.
You tell me what you stand for and what you wish to accomplish and I probably will be able to do the same.And be forewarned, I dislike you putting words in my mouth — that’s unsanitary, totally.
Spare me the nonsense about putting words in one’s mouth. That is so amateurish. No, I don’t have any agenda.I just want to examine why some would think the way that do it. I don’t care if the national languge is Tagalog, or Cebuano, or English.
It’s just that it is so annoying to se some supposedly thinking people pretend about for good and noble thoughts, when all they want is their language to be the national language.
You do want Ilocano to be the national languge, don’t you?
Nope, I’ve never advocated that Ilocano be the only national language — but give me a chance to think more about that. Aha, English! That’s almost a thing some folks have a love-hate relation to. Well, I’ll leave you at that. Because I’d rather go fishing/crabbing with you somewhere in Canada, with a few bottles of beer in tow… Nice chatting with you. Bye…
Tell me, what is it about the Ilocano language, or any languge other than Tagalog, to be its role in national or regional schemes?
Ok, hey, beer on me the next time you’r ehere in good ol’ Pinas.